The Video: Remembering
Sometimes with time we forget, our senses become numb, our memories fade our resolve weakens. This short video reminds us of why we should stay the course and remain strong.
posted by B O B @ 9:35 AM
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9 Comments:
Yes, because Iraq had SO MUCH to do with 9/11. Are you people really this dumb, or are you pretending?
Let me spell it out for you:
Despite Bush's and his (now resentful) lapdog Powell's promises, Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, was no threat to the United States, and had nothing to do with 9/11.
Therefore, while one can certainly feel free to debate the pros and cons of "holding the course" in Iraq, appeals to 9/11 are irrelevant and stupid.
Was that simple enough for you?
Thank you for the comments anon. Perhaps you should read this article Saddam's Secret Tapes, You are fixated by the idea that you can only be right, but you are wrong. Yes, Saddam had WMDs, perhaps you need your memory stroked, remember those Kurds killed with poison gas. Perhaps not, because you are so set in your beliefs you could not even see a snake if it bit you.
M O M:
How many platitudes can you plant in one post? Let's count:
1. Do you enjoy your freedom?
As a matter of fact, I do. And this has what relevance?
Look up the term false dichotomy. Apparently, I have either the choice of enjoying my freedom and having to commit to everything the Bush administration wants or not enjoying my freedom. Brilliant!
2. Did you know that people have died so that you might have it?
Yes, I did know that. Relevance? Oh yeah, yet anopther stupid, irrelevant banality. Did you know that people have died defecating on the toilet?!?!?! Profound.
3. "Weapons of mass destruction were not found in Iraq because they were moved elsewhere and documentation is coming out to show that and to show links between Saddam and AlQaeda."
Any links to back that statement up? Do you honestly believe that after more than four years of trying, if such evidence existed, the Bush administration wouldn't have already released it. When Trent Lott, that crazy lefty, is saying there was an intelligence failure, we can just dismiss it as the loony left. When the guy we commission to scour for evidence of WMD say that there was none, more of just the loony left.
"The group searching for Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction publishes its final findings tonight and is expected to say it found no evidence of any illegal stockpiles. Charles Duelfer, the head of the US-led team that spent 15-months searching for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, will deliver the Iraq Survey Group "
Trent Lott:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A3980-2004Feb1?language=printer
And that's just your first paragraph!!!!
Why don't you publish my comments directed at B O B? The one where he links to an article that doesn't even support his position? I'll be happy to comment on the rest of your post (although I will warn you, I didn't find it any better than the first paragraph), when you publish my response to B O B.
SInce you are ignoring my calls to link to some support regarding your theories (despite all evidence to the contrary) that Saddam had WMD when Bush said he had WMD, I guess you have conceded that you are just talking out of your butt.
I knew you would accuse me of "equating" dead soldiers with dead defecaters. Fortunately, anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see I was merely using hyperbole (www.dictionary.com) to comment on how ridiculous and irrelevant your own appeals to freedom and dying soldiers are to the debate. There was no "equating" going on.
If I was like you, I could use dying soldiers for freedom to justify practically anything.
Abortion kills millions of babies. These babies never get a chance to enjoy their freedom. Do you like your freedom? What about all the soldiers who died protecting our freedoms?
Drugs threaten our very way of life, our freedom to pursue happiness both for ourselves and our families. Do you like your freedom? What about all the soldiers who died protecting our freedoms?
Gay marriages are an abomination to our very way of life, our freedom. Do you like your freedom? What about all the soldiers who died protecting our freedoms?
Iran is run by a lunatic. Do you like your freedom? What about all the soldiers who died protecting our freedoms?
But unlike you, I don't disrespect their memories by trying to make cheap political points by bringing them up. I apologize on your behalf for you having done so.
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anon here is three links for you to look at in leisure. But what is more important, that everyone knows now that Saddam did not care about human life, not his own people, not the Iranians who he used chemical weapons on, or the Kurds.
Personally, I am satisfied that Saddam had WMD's I think the ABC tapes speak multitudes. He talked of his cat and mouse games with the UN inspectors. In his conversations it was revealed he had quantities of WMDs. To assume that he would not provide them to terrorist is naivety on your part.
Saddam had no morals, no respect for human life, and had no qualms about using position in war or to fill any objective.
Personally, I am glad he is behind bars, that all the mass graves of his purges have been found.
He was a terrible person, and I don't care if you are fixated on the idea that he would never harm us. I am glad we are in Iraq and the majority of Iraqis are glad we are also.
Today they have the right to vote and do so in mass. Today their soccer players can go to the Olympics and not wear iron maidens if they lose a game. Today the rape houses are closed.
I suppose you would like it otherwise.
correction: position should be poison.
Are we all behaving ourselves?
Anon:
- MOM was making the point that after 9-11 American foreign policy had to be more interventionist than we are comfortable with.
- The point of hyperbole is to make a point. Instead you seemed to have demonstrated your lack of understanding. Rhetoric is used best that is used most appropriately
- As for making things simple, let me try to spell it out for you
1) There are crazy people in the world that want to hurt us. Always have been and always will be. The difference is that now they are starting to do it more.
2) After 9-11 we now expect nation-states to keep better control over their crazy people than we did before. This means that nations must be expected to act in a more civilized manner. THIS is the importance of 9-11
3) Iraq was at the top of the list of nations acting poorly. Over 20 UNSEC binding resolutions? Trying to kill old Bush? Gassing the Kurds? Any of this ring a bell for you? IF (and you may disagree) we were to take a more active role globally (against our druthers) Iraq was at the top of the list of nations to deal with.
Now reasonable people certainly disagree. And no doubt those of you who needed a cartoon bad guy and a slogan for a god-awful thing like a war feel let down with Saddam and the WMDs. I feel your pain. However, the presentation and history of events does not change either the relevant facts of the case or the better good we have caused by taking action.
What did Fareed Zakaria say? Even Bush can make a good decision every now and then. This is very hard for some to admit.
I would recommend for you "The Gathering Storm: A Case For Invading Iraq" Written before the invasion, it lays out all the reasons it was necessary. They're still good arguments. Personally, I had tremendous difficulty with authorizing the use of deadly force and spent many hours wrestling with this issue. If you want to debate recent history, I'm game if you are.
We were attacked on 9-11 not from an abundance of hatred, but for a profound lack of respect. Our response in Afghanistan was PUNITIVE, and our response in Iraq was PRE-EMPTIVE. Anonymous has joined other clairvoyants in categorically concluding that our intervention in Iraq pre-empted nothing. How can they know this?
For me, Saddam had MEANS, even without WMD; and MOTIVE, he had been humiliated by our President's father in 1991. Surely the lesson of 9-11 is that anyone who wished to do us harm no longer needed MISSILES as a delivery system. Not only does ANONYMOUS not grasp this lesson, he wishes the rest of us to conclude that SADDAM DIDN'T EITHER.
We have not been attacked in 4 and 1\2 years precisely because the dearth of respect which precipitated the attack to begin with has been restored through our willingness to stand and die in Iraq to defend ourselves.
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