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Saturday, January 21, 2006

A Monumental Upcoming Election

Get ready for the most important political race of Alabama. Roy Moore is running for governor. Remember him? He’s otherwise known as “The Ten Commandments Judge”. He’s the member of the Alabama supreme court who, in 2003, was removed from office by a state judicial “ethics panel”, empowered to pass judgements on his refusal to obey a federal court order to remove the massive Ten Commandments monument from the state judicial building.

Now he’s running for governor in the very state which defrocked him, and he’s got a mounting wave of constituent support behind him. Most reports acknowledge that Moore has a realistic chance of defeating incumbent governor, republican Bob Riley, in the upcoming primary elections.

What makes this election so monumental? Roy Moore has courage enough to stand against the myriad of unjust legal decisions of the federal courts. He would possess the authority as all governors do, in a sense, to defend his state against the intrusive hand of the federal government, but unlike most governors, he would also possess the knowledge and convictions to support that authority. In other words, he would actively distingiush Alabama as a sovereign state to be governed by the people of Alabama and not by the federal courts.

The original controversy surrounding Roy Moore swirled around the fact that he had a massive Ten Commandments monument placed in the state judicial building. Federal Judge Myron Thompson ordered that the Monument be removed because it unconstitutionally endorsed religion. Moore refused to remove it, stating that he had every right under the first and tenth ammendment to keep it on display, and that furthermore, biblical moral law is historically the foundational for civil government in America. Moore refused to give up his right to acknowledge God in His rightful place in government. Finally, then Alabama attorney general, Bill Pryor, filed a complaint against Moore for refusing to obey a federal court order. Moore wouldn’t budge. This led to the trial and removal of Judge Moore from office. It could have been the best thing to happen to Alabama. For now, with his notoriety, Moore is in position to win an election for governor in a fairly conservative state and give hope to all those conservatives who refuse to bend the knee to pluralism in America.

The significance of Roy Moore’s defiance of the federal court order wasn’t merely an issue about the right to display the Ten Commandments in public buildings. It wasn’t even really about how moral law is the basis for civil law. The significance of Moore’s stance lies in right of individual states to govern themselves over and against the Federal governments unwillingness to maintain constitutional fidelity. The issue was that the federal courts had no right to impose a religious, or anti-religious position upon Roy Moore and the state of Alabama. The federal government acted unconstitutionally. The significance of Moore’s defiance was a constitutional significance.

When will we, the people, wake up and realize that the federal courts have been living in a fantasy world, completely disconnected from reality, the constitution, the votes of the people, and the history of our land? We need men like Roy Moore who are humbled, principled leaders, who are not afraid to acknowledge that the christian God is the God of law and the only legitimate source of civil government; men who aren’t afraid to bring God back into our constitutional understanding.


At 7:05 PM, Blogger Jeff said...

Are we talking about the same Constitution? The same one that espouses Freedom OF AND FROM religion?. Roy Moore broke the law while in office, how principled is that?

God has no "rightful" place in government. God's place is in church and in our hearts perhaps, but never in Gov't. There are already several countries that have God in gov't, Iran is one of them. Want to be like them?

Our forefathers wisely formed our gov't in a non-denominational, non-religious framework, and only by keeping it that way will we survive. They recognized that not everyone has the same religious beliefs and that we can not have a free country by oppressing certain other groups based on faith.

I will tell you this. I am not a Christian. I do not need the Hebrew Sky God to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I consider myself to be a very moral person. I am this way not because I am afraid to go to some mythological eternal torment. I do things because that is the right way to do it.

At best, I fnd it ironic and at worst, disengenuous, that in your response about Judge Brooke Murdock, you made the statement that Judges who do not obey the law should be fired. Now here, you are praising Moore for doing that very thing, perhaps because it suits YOUR agenda and viewpoint. Tsk Tsk

Moore is a bad leader. While Murdock simply made a ruling with which some disagree, Moore actually broke the law and ignored a Federal Court Order He does not represent the people...he represents a fraction of fundamentalists that have only one goal. World Domination. Hmmmm, aren't we currently looking for another such fellow? Why yes, we are...I think his name is Osama Bin Laden.

At 9:03 PM, Blogger C.T. said...

1. Are we talking about the same constitution? Apparantly not.

2. God has no rightful place in government? This idea runs contrary to 250 years of american history

3. Iran does not have God in their Government

4. "I do things because that is the right way to do it" - by what standard?

5. Since when is a federal court order a law? Especially when it violates the 1st and 10th ammendment?

Thanks Jeff for your comments. Appreciated as always.

At 9:33 PM, Blogger Renee said...

When Roy Moore became an Alabama supreme court justice, he took an oath to uphold the constitution and to listen to each case without bias. What he chose to do while still on the Alabama supreme court was a malfeasance of office and that is why he was removed. It would have been different if he were a private individual that submitted a case to challenge the constitution.

He is intelligent enough to realize that by challenging the constitution, while still in office, would bring him the most attention and press coverage. In turn would help him become governor in the great conservative state of Alabama.

>>>>In other words, he would actively distingiush Alabama as a sovereign state to be governed by the people of Alabama and not by the federal courts.<<<<

Are you suggesting that Roy Moore will go the way of South Carolina and try to have Alabama secede from the union?

At 9:54 PM, Blogger Jeff said...

1- I am referring to the Constitution of the United States on America. The one that guarantees religious freedom. Not the one to which some people keep referring that says the Christian God is the only way, especially since most of the forefathers were not in fact Christians, but instead were Deists. Thomas Jefferson even wrote that Christianity was an "abomination", so his feelings were clear there.

2 - No it doesn't. In 1797, in The Treaty of Tripoli, John Adams writes
the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

3 - Iran has an Offical State Religion that of Islam. Nazi Germany did as well. To see a list of countries that have Offical State religions goto

4 - By the standard of personal evaluation and applied logic.

5 - A Federal Court Order, like any order of the Court, is a legal document and is enforcable under the law. To disobey a court order is punishable by varius oenalties depend on the subject of the order. In Va, it can even be a felony offense in certain cases. And the order was found not to violate any Constituational amenments, that is why is was enforced. Moore is lucky he was simply unseated and not criminally prosecutesd as well.

At 10:28 PM, Blogger Renee said...

>>>> God has no rightful place in government? This idea runs contrary to 250 years of american history<<<<

Apparently it has been decided that religion (the way you make it sound it is as if Christianity is the only religion)does not have a place in gov't. We have abolished slavery, let women vote and have rights and we don't stone people in the town square anymore but the Bible condones all of this. Your logic would say that we should still have slavery, not let women out of the house and we should also stone anyone who disagrees in any form.

>>>> Iran does not have God in their Government<<<<

No, because they have an official religion that Iran bases its laws around and that is the Muslim religion and Allah is God.

>>>> Since when is a federal court order a law? Especially when it violates the 1st and 10th ammendment?<<<<

So, once again, by your logic, when a person is ordered by the court to pay child support and chooses not to obey that order then nothing should happen to them. Besides, it is only a court order and not a law. I am sure there are a lot of deadbeat moms and dads sitting in jail that would love for this to be reality.

At 6:59 PM, Blogger Chestertonian said...

"Christianity, which is a very mystical religion, has nevertheless been the religion of the most practical section of mankind. It has far more paradoxes than the Eastern philosophies, but it also builds far better roads.

The Moslem has a pure and logical conception of God, the one Monistic Allah. But he remains a barbarian in Europe, and the grass will not grow where he sets his foot. The Christian has a Triune God, "a tangled trinity," which seems a mere capricious contradiction in terms. But in action he bestrides the earth, and even the cleverest Eastern can only fight him by imitating him first. The East has logic and lives on rice. Christendom has mysteries-and motor cars. Never mind, as I say, about the inference, let us register the fact." -Gilbert Keith Chesterton (1874-1936)

At 7:57 PM, Blogger Jeff said...

Interesting response, but I would say that Christianity, like all religions, only builds "good roads" if the Highway Planner is a good engineer and uses quality materials. Yoou can not assume that ANY religion is better simply "because".

At 9:22 PM, Blogger C.T. said...

Jeff and Renee,

God has no place historically in American Government?

"So help me God."
-Judiciary Act of 1789

“In the name of God, the grace of God...Having undertaken for the glory of God and the advancement of the christian faith...
- Mayflower Compact 1620

“And for support of this declaration, with a firm reliance upon the protection of divine providence...
- The Declaration of Independence 1776

"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors."
- George Washington

“The Almighty has his own the providences of God...If God wills...The judgements of the Lord are true and righteous...”
-Abraham Lincoln’s second inaugural address

The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity …I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and the attributes of God.”
- John Adams 1813 letter to Jefferson

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers. And it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
- John Jay, first supreme court justice 1797

"Whether this [new government] will prove a blessing or a curse will depend upon the use our people make of the blessings which a gracious God hath bestowed on us. If they are wise, they will be great and happy. If they are of a contrary character, they will be miserable. Righteousness alone can exalt them as a nation [Proverbs 14:34].”
- Patrick Henry (stamp act)

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws of nature are the laws of God; whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth."
- George Mason 1772

Certainly America is not, nor has it been since its earlierst stages, purely christian in its allegiance. Yet it remains impossible to ignore the christian construction in American government wich weighs so heavily upon history. to think otherwise is absolutely absurd. it's found from birth of the first universities to judicial decisions to schools and libraries, to monuments and inscriptions literally draping our state capital. It might be your opinion that God has no rightful place in government, but you simply can't argue that assertion from the facts of history.

To say that a standard of morality is based upon personal evaluation and applied logic is like saying nothing at all. What is the standard for personal evaluation and where does logic come from if not from law? Where does law come from if not from God?

Roy Moore understands this. That is why he understands that the federal court order was unconstituional and had no authority over him; because he knows that the federal court was trying to impose its own religion on Roy Moore and the state of Alabama - Contrary, in fact, to Alabama's own constitution which, by the way, acknowledges dependence on the grace of God for the institution of their government.

At 10:05 PM, Blogger Melissa O. Markham said...

Well written, C.T. and Amen.

At 9:16 AM, Blogger El said...

Roy Moore did more in office than just put up the 10 commandments. I was living in Alabama when this story started to break.

He had not executed the charge of his office, he thought he was above the law and he committed crimes while a judge.

Come on now, we are talking about a guy who was playing politics with his federal judgeship.

At 9:18 AM, Blogger El said...


God did not enter the pledge of allegence until 1954.

And as a curiousity, when did Lincoln become a founding father and where did you get your quotes from?

At 2:32 PM, Anonymous Sharon said...

Sometimes one has to wonder if we are all living in the same country, or merely just describing two overlaping ones that share the same space...

Jeff is right, the irony here is that Baptists faught hard for seperation of church and state, and now so-called conservatives have taken over that denomination and others. One of the key elements of the Baptist faith has always been the right of the beliver to understand the word of god for themselves without a priest, church, denomination or government telling them the "right" way to understand it.

These people who call themselves conservative are longing for a time which never existed. Even worse, by advocating for a state sponsored religion they threaten the sanctity of Christianity itself. Remember, Jesus was asked by many to lead a real army against Rome and take political power, but he opted for spiritual power instead. His Kingdom is not to be found in the halls of Congress or the Supreme Court.

Likewise, yes, Christianity did play a role in the founding of our country, but I dare say that isn't the kind of Christianity that fundementalist evangelicals want to return to. After all, in the Declaration of Independance it speaks of a god which is consistent with Natural law. Meanwhile extreme fundementalists would have our schools stop teaching about biology and "natural law" altogether. Fundementalists fear the idea that anyone can discover and understand God's word for themselves because that would mean we would know longer need them to tell us what we are supposed to believe.

In many ways, these issues have become the new Civil War of our time. It has divided families and friends and threatens the very foundations of our Democracy. Personally I would defend with my life the right of anyone, including Fallwell, to have and practice their beliefs; however, I would like the same respect accorded all religions. Without that we are indeed walking a dangerous path not so different than what we've seen in Iran.

Speaking of which, Chestertonian could be better informed about history and who the so-called barbarians are. Everytime you use the number "0" or get in your car made of steel, keep in mind that Arabs made vast contributions to science and mathematics. The reason for the current lack of progress in the Middle East has more to do with a systematic campain over hundreds of years to promote violence and destabilize govenments by so-called "Christian Nations". After all, who do you think trained the Taliban and gave them weapons?

We've taken the message of peace and love Jesus had for everyone, and turned it into a battle flag. That's not the kind of Christianity I was taught nor the sort which I can respect. Call yourselves Christian, and be proud of the Christina contributions to our naturon heritage - that's fine. What isn't okay is trying to force everyone else to be like you, that just isn't Christian at all.


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